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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 12:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: seeings how we're posting non dead stuff

I like to share this with all my right wing friends and coworkers. Where I live it's allmost a requirement to be Republican and I have to hide so many months out of the year when its " librul" season. Here goes:


A day in the life of Joe Republican...

Joe gets up at 6am and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards.

With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and they work as advertised. All but $10 of his medications is paid by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his workday. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union member fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get workers compensation check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of a temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FDIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the country would be better off if he was educated and earned more
money over his lifetime. Joe forgets that in addition to his federally subsidized student loan, he attended a state funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the taxpayer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking cheese eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe
wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that the liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe
enjoys throughout his day and takes for granted today.

Joe agrees: We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.

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Poster: JodyC Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:17pm
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Hey JOTS- Nothing better than throwing a log onto the proverbial political fire!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:21pm
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: )

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Poster: JodyC Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:25pm
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I picture JOTS chillin on the deck, sipping a cold beer, taking in the northern scenery when the sudden impulse hits to stir the forum pot. " I know. I'll post a mega librul essay. I wonder what the response will be". Its not even 4/20 yet!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 6:45pm
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I just figured I'd counter that Andy Roony I'm pissed at people I'm so American thing. That's all. I do have a beer but no chillin till this weekend : )

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:13pm
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Gee, I did'nt know it was just "liberals" that did all that!
I'm happy I'm not in any party or affiliation other than common sense. I know both parties are full of hoooie. That Liberal & Conservative are buzz words. I appreciate having an open point of view, based on all the fact's and not being feed by some blogiass or pundit, without a fair hearing of other points of view.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:23pm
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You didn't? Well it was. At least by everything and everyone right wing radio rants against. Of course if you tell me you get your unbiased info from FOX news then I'll have to disregard everyting you said in your post.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:29pm
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Actually, I don't watch hardly ANY cable or the boobtube, except for sports. I loves AM talk radio though.
Example, I've never watched American Idol (am i missing anything?-haha) I go from Air Amerika to Savage, Art Bell to Catholic radio, on Sports Talk-the 3rd Shift with
Jorge Sedano is great!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:54pm
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At least Savage isn't just a party sheep, he'll go after whoever he disagrees with. I just can't listen to it for very long because it's so full of venom and hate.

As for American Idol - I like the auditions. I guess I'm evil that way but I figure if you have the nerve to think the world can't live without your talent and you SUCK, then you kind of asked for it.The show itself is lame imo.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 19, 2007 3:22pm
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Cool.

They would have to post about free market stuff, etc.; not as down to earth helpful though...

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Poster: Edsel Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:25pm
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A day in the life of Joe Republican...

Gotta be honest here, you have a future in fiction.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:22pm
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then you must have a future in denial. Back it up then.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:25pm
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WOW! You honestly believe it was conservative Republicans responsible for ANY of that? REALLY?

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Poster: ducats Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:56pm
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teach me please - are republicans in favor of dirty water?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:59pm
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No they're in favor cleaning it up when it's too late apparantly. They're in favor of letting the " market" decide and unfortunatly a LOT of damage has to be done before anything like that will happen.

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Poster: ducats Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:14pm
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then we (the market) drink what we deserve

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:20pm
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yeah but what about ME and others who DON'T want to drink it or what about not KNOWING until it''s too late? That's the whole point isn't it??????? Don't wait until it's too late?

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Poster: ducats Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:24pm
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don't sell yourself short

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:07pm
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were the Standell's republicans?

Down by the River...
Down by the banks of the River Charles
(Oh, that's what's happenin' baby)
That's where you'll find me
Along with lovers, fuggers, and thieves.
(Ahh, but they're cool people)
I love that dirty water
'Oh oh, Boston, you're my home

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Poster: ducats Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:31pm
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rasta - u always crack me up - thx - would love to have partied at a show w/you!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:02pm
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ducats - I can tell you this too. The Republicans where I live don't give a F*ck about MY water. I live in a more rural area where everyone has a well. Awhile back they - Republican legislatures exclusively - wanted to lease people's land ( because up here you don't own subsurface rights ) to a company to do coal bed drilling for methane gas. Oh they cited a lot of bogus science how there would be no negative effects. BULLSHIT. Fortunately plenty of NON liberal land owners from outside came up on their own dime and shared all their information on what it did to their land - collapsed it. Wells went bad etc. The fact that they weren't some liberal scientist types helped to persuade regular folks that usually allways go with the condervative plans under the whole " good for jobs" BS.

Guess who brought these people up and led the fight that fought this down? I'll give you a hint: they WEREN'T Republicans.

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Poster: ducats Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:27pm
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I'm 99.9% sure you have sub-surface rights - unless you gave them away YOURSELF, or bought the land after a previous owner gave them away - what state are u talking about.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Apr 19, 2007 11:09pm
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When I bought property in rural Paulden Az 15 years ago, over one of the largest aquifers in North America, I had some of the best water you will ever taste from my well... But my deed clearly stated that I had absolutely no sub-surface rights...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 4:42pm
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Alaska, and allmost no one does unless they were greandfathered. It's a fact.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 7:09pm
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good thing you left hat.01% open, because 99.9% of what you thought was WRONG

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Apr 19, 2007 3:47pm
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Currently stirring up trouble of my own - posted it in a note on facebook so all my "Religious Right" college classmates can read it :P

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:39pm
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Why the hell does it have to be Liberal's did all the good stuff or Conservatives did all the bad stuff? If you ask me, people in an equal number from either side have managed to perform amazing feats of stupidity over the history of civilization. Face it, no matter what we call ourselves or what group we align with, we're all humans and humans have always had the ability to create wonderful, indescribably beautiful things, or, at the same time, indescribably horrific things. We can waste our time "Throwin' Stones" at one another, blaming the other for what's wrong or taking sole credit for what's right, or we can focus on doing what we can to make our fellow humans' life a little better. Or is that too liberal? How about we do it on our own, without the need for government oversight? Damn, try to keep everyone happy. Can't be done.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2007-04-19 20:39:44

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:43pm
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who said it does? First of all the word " liberal" has been bastardized from it's actual meaning. But as for what I posted - sorry but it is true. I'm not talking political party, but show me where and how any conservative corporation fought for ANY of those protections we have? YOu won't because they don't. Why would they? It's less money for them. Look at any labor or environmental movement and I gurarantee you they were not fought by what is now considered to be conservative. And I also gurantee you that any conservative who fought in the ranks did so because they were somehow directly negatively effected by what they were fighting against, NOT for any ideology.

Rather than liberal/conservative I see it more like Dylan wrote in a great tune:

" the poor white man is used as a tool in the hands of them all like a fool

he's taught by the rule

that the laws are with him
to protect his white skin

to keep up his hate
so he never thinks straight
about the shape that he's in"

Look at those last lines and tell me it isn't true. I work with a lot of blue collar people, I KNOW it's true. Keep up your hate so you never think straight about the shape that you're in. Who are the REAL anti-Americans? Perhaps the ones who will sell this country out in a second for a buck? You know, like the ones who run this place and influence our foreign policy etc.?

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:48pm
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and when in doubt, more cowbell!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Apr 19, 2007 6:06pm
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"With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and they work as advertised. All but $10 of his medications is paid by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too."

With all due respect to a certain forum member who i completely respect, 'cause i know he fights the good fight, if you believe those medications you are downing with your morning glass of water are "safe" ... well, i've got a bridge to sell ya. In addition, that cost might be $10 to certain unioned employees, but i guarantee you that the vast majority of people are stiffed to the max on prescription meds. However, i can't say i entirely agree with that latter occurence given my stance on prescription meds. Otherwise, you know i luv ya!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 6:30pm
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I don't completely disagree with you. I don't know which I hate more the pharmeceutical companies or the insurance companies BUT you have to admit having what FDA oversight we do have is much much safer than it could be with no oversight. I'm all for making it safer and I'm all for making it cheaper. I work for my States largest healthcare provider and they don't even provide great health coverage. The perscription co-pay is very reasonable to me but that's only if you have a run of the mill drug and there's a generic available. Otherwise it's what you'd expect.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Apr 19, 2007 6:40pm
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"BUT you have to admit having what FDA oversight we do have is much much safer than it could be with no oversight"

yer right, in total agreement i am with that

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 20, 2007 6:29am
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hot damn! although this thread is on a GDForum, it's great stuff!

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Poster: SactownTom Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:11pm
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Keep fighting the good fight JOTS! A little balancing out was needed today.

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Poster: ducats Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:16pm
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did I miss a thread somewhere?

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Poster: SactownTom Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:21pm
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I don't know--probably not. I was catching up on the last day or so, and it seemed to me that things were skewing a bit in one direction. Probably just me. I've always stayed out of the political fray , but just wanted to give props to Johnny for wading in where I fear to tread.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:57pm
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I was teaching the kids about George Washington today. He did not have the best personality in the world but his strong point was he considered us all to be Americans.

Both the left and the right have demonized the other over the years." It just makes me want to cry, what's so funny about peace, love & understanding".

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 7:05pm
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divide and conquer, not surprising. Keep em pissed on the issues that aint gonna change while we raid the cookie jar.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2007 7:13pm
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a house divided against itself will fall

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 7:20pm
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YEP. Just like a society that evolves to having only two classes is destined for a revolt, and our middle class is shrinking everyday. I wish us regular folks could get it together and see we have a helluva lot more in common than we think.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2007 7:32pm
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there are some that actively try to create 2 distinct classes that fight. Hitler, Lenin, Castro and more used the same OLD game of divide and conquer. Setting up a scapegoat, or class of people to fight each other, then swooping in to save the day.
VIVA THE REVOLUTION! EVIL BILL GATES! EVIL JEWS! EVIL CHRISTIANS! EVIL GLOBAL WARMERS!
Same old game- new "evil dangers" oooooooooh! (yawn)

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Poster: SactownTom Date: Apr 19, 2007 3:05pm
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Amen, Chris...I strongly believe in one's right to one's own opinion. I have several good friends on the other side of the political spectrum from me, and it does not affect how I feel about them in the least. We are all Americans, citizens of the greatest nation this world has perhaps ever seen.
Nick Lowe has it right--and he said it when the Punks were righteously PO'd at peace-loving hippies and the like

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Apr 19, 2007 4:20pm
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Nice. Being a neo conservative in the pollution control business is the sweetest job anyone would ever want. Every time some kind of "green" legislation gets passed, it puts the money in a conservative business owners pocket. Some day the libs will catch on to this and find a way to reap the reward for themselves...then they'll get to bitch about all the taxes that goes to pay their own regulatory legislation. Catch 22 my friends and we all get to pay for the privilege of living in the good old US of A.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Apr 19, 2007 10:52pm
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one of these days i'd love to pick your brain

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Apr 20, 2007 5:21am
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Arbuthnot my brother, I'd be delighted to have you pick at my brain. Fact is that I've profited from nearly each and every environmental regulation to come down the pike. Chlorine scrubbers, SO2 scrubbers, even the ban on asbestos. Lately, I've even found my way into supplying parts to meet the 2007 diesel truck standards, some nice ching ching.

Eventually, though, these regulatory compliance issues come back to the taxpayers doorstep in the guise of higher electric bills, increase freight costs and higher taxes to fund the oversight and regulatory powers that be. This is the catch 22, where I believe it patriotic to want and have a country that has clean air to breath and water to drink but the shame of it that the cost of maintaining or trying to clean it up falls on all of us.

As in any part of our lives where government and regulations are involved (Should I say healthcare and medicine?) ultimately the consumer winds up paying the bills, whether for regulatory costs, increased production costs, the cost of litigation, you name it. It's also unfortunate that these costs are very real, sending thousands of jobs to places where the same regualtory climate does not exist.

...and this my friend and brother, even though I profit from it, is why I continue to hold forth conservative fiscal ideals about our government. Less regulation, less litigation...more free flow of capital.


......oh and sorry for the non-dead rant, but somebody else started down this slippery slope.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Apr 20, 2007 4:34pm
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Earl ... great reply as per your usual, and so truly stated, and why it bothers me when someone is screaming and ranting about how the government should give them all this free stuff, or do this, or make this better, while which in some cases, as you point out, does lead often to the good for all; but the point is, someone somewhere along the line has to pay; things are not done for free despite however it might appear to some that this is so; somewhat off the discussion, but i was taking the bus around a few months ago, and there was this woman in front of me bitching & moaning about how the bus was late, yadda, yadda, yadda ... well, she was one of those folks who this fine state rewards each year with a free bus pass good for one year (actually, it's $1, but you get the idea), and meanwhile working folk have to shell out a much larger fee each month, currently $45; i say, she should shut the effin' hell up and be glad that she has what she has, even if she is clueless that someone else has to pay for her to get a free ride; i'm generous to those who are truly in need, not to those who have a self-inflicted "disability", thank you very much

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Apr 19, 2007 4:18pm
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I'd like to share this with all my left wing friends and coworkers. Where I live it's allmost a requirement to be a democrat and I have to hide so many months out of the year when its "self make man" season. Here goes:


A day in the life of a real Republican...

I have not seen 6am since I stayed out that late.

I smoke my daily medicine because I cannot afford healthcare because I make too much money to get medicare and foodstamps that go to the less productive people that I have to carry with my income tax rat of almost 40%.

I make a protein shake or have a bagel because I work 12 hours a day and was too tired to stop and get eggs.

A liberal made the shampoo label? Who gives a shit, it's shampoo. Good for them.

The air I breathe is fresh because it has been recycled by trees, public transportation where I live is a joke and a disgrace. Parking costs hundreds of dollars a month and my car sits in a dimly lit lot that reeks of piss. My tires are flat a strange percentage of the time and amazingly at least one homeless person is there offering to help and eager for a buck in repayment. I waive my tire iron and tell them I can handle it, I used to be a black ops assassin and they leave me alone. Crack heads...

I begin my workday. I have a good job but am commission based and only make what I put into it. I have no medical insurance or paid holidays and when on vacation, I am constantly answering emails and cell phone calls because I lost my cush job at a federal bank when they outsourced my job to india because union labor made competition from US workers obsolete. I am self emplyed in a right to work state where you can fire yourself for any reason, besides the government passed fair labor laws long ago, making unions irrelevant and a mofia controlled racket.

If I get hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, I won't get shit because I am paid on a 1099 and don't rely on any government to carry me when I fall. That is what savings accounts are for. I have to write a check each year and if I don't pay I go to jail.

Liberals soley are responsible for FDIC?, I'll look into that. My bank has never been robbed so not sure how much I owe a liberal for protecting my own money.

I am renting because my divorce destroyed my credit and savings, fannie mae guidelines do not apply to me because I do not meet the "below medium income" requirement for my county and my house is not in a designated fannie mae reduced MI geocoded area. I have to go stated, self employed anyway, due to my tax filing and income pace during different parts of the year. I was unable to get a student loan or finaincial aid because they wanted my father's finanincial information, even though I had not seen him for 10 years and because I checked caucasion instead of native american, like my wise ass cousin who got a free ride to college. I had to pay cash or work at a job that had tuition reimbursement because some elitist liberal decided that the country would be better off if I was a minority.

I am home from work. I don't like talking to my mother and I rarely hear anything about my father. My Nissan is neither safer nor more economic than a liberals car and I don't think liberals are the only people that demand safer vehicles. Fair market capitalism has provided all levels of safety and fuel economy and I choose what I want to drive.

My ancestors haven't had farms since the Irish potato famine. They have been working boiler rooms, docks and factories, fighting wars, crossing union picket lines and making babies in middle class suburbia until the crime rate rose and the values in the neighborhood went to shit because of FHA housing complexes turne dghettos that some liberal made that benefit unwed mothers and crack addicted welfare babies... I picked the wrong family for the free shit.

I could care less about my father, who will never be able to retire or collect any benefits because he hasn't paid taxes since the 60's. He can never uses his social security number again because my mom collected welfare and food stamps while I was raised by my grandmother. The state of NJ ran a 50k tab on him and he is now a felon because of it. He cannot work anywhere and has warrants for unpaid child support. I wonder what my mom did with that 50k? I never saw any of it.

Republicans aren't perfect and all talk show hosts talk over anyone they disagree with. Some of those republican bastards freed the slaves, brought down soviet communism and other stuff no one ever mentions because they are hand fed all the bullshit like this biased overreaching onesided post that I could not ignore.

I agree: We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have. Well that part is correct, thanks for pretending to know about everyone by the R or D next to their name. I am sure if you look close enough you'll find just as many scumbags on each side of the aisle. Stop assuming things, you know what they say about the word assume right?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 19, 2007 6:37pm
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" thanks for pretending to know about everyone by the R or D next to their name. I am sure if you look close enough you'll find just as many scumbags on each side of the aisle."

It was just a little comeback to the all that is American crap I always here. I DON'T really like either side and I get along with both sides. In fact I have NEITHER next to my name I'm undeclared and that's how I vote. But one thing I can't do is pretend Republicans are for the " self made man" that is such a crock. They're the whores to big business. Both sides draw from the same well it just seems that one side draws even more.